OK, fans and drivers, what do you think?

January 21, 2014 35 Comments

2014QRLogoThe past couple of days I’ve had some interesting conversations with new Quincy Raceways track manager Ken Dobson, who I think most realize by now is not afraid to take a chance. Or shake things up, if you will.

One of the aspects of track operations he is studying is the existing points system(s) — UMP for late models and modifieds, IMCA for stock cars, sport mods and sport compacts.

Here’s a brief outline of what is being considered, followed by some general thoughts from Dobson. What you need to remember while reading is Dobson wants your input, fans and drivers alike, in an effort to offer the best-possible product on Sunday nights.

Among the possibilities:

1. A “Chase” format similar to but still different from NASCAR.

2. Some sort of separate but equal designation for “regular season” and “postseason” championships. (The “postseason” could be one or a series of races.)

Ken Dobson

Ken Dobson

Dobson emphasized nothing is even close to being decided, and there’s the possibility nothing actually will change. His principal interest is what the fans and drivers would most like to see.

“As a promoter, we of course want the points battles to last as deep into the season as possible,” Dobson said. “The purists have a valid point that a race in April should count as much as a race in September, and I don’t like anything artificial and concocted.”

Both are good points, and so is another of Dobson’s concerning some sort of “postseason.” That would help keep the interest alive in a class that might be a runaway by midseason.

“Tri-City did a Chase format last year and it seemed to work well for them, but I don’t really know the answer,” Dobson said. “About 10 minutes ago I was watching a college basketball game and remembered that each conference has a regular season champion, but still has a tournament champion.  Some seasons it’s the same team, some seasons it isn’t.

“I wonder how a ‘points champion’ and ‘track champion’ might work, where the points champion was your traditional season-long champion, but the ‘track champion’ won your season-ending Chase format?”

Dobson said he would like to hear some debate among the fans and drivers about what they’d like to see.

“I’m not saying we are changing anything, but if there’s some good ideas out there that would help add drama and fan interest at the end of the season, I’d like to hear it,” Dobson said.

As far as the different sanctioning bodies, Dobson said, “With IMCA, we have to award points according to their formula in those classes. With the UMP classes we can pretty well do whatever we want.”

So there you are, dirt-track fans. You have the opportunity to be part of what could be a major decision in track history.

Who will we hear from first? (You can also vote in the poll at the right, which if not up at the time you are reading this it will be shortly.)

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  1. Black Op says:

    Let Black Op be the first to chime in here. I say the “season” champion is the driver with the most points at around mid-August, then we have four weeks of postseason racing to determine the “track” champion. Format for the postseason could be something like top eight in points are automatic for the features those last four Sundays, with the rest of the 12-car (or whatever number) lineup determined by a prelim feature each Sunday night.

    Each of the Sunday night postseason races starting lineups for the top 8 in points would be determined by qualifying that night.

  2. tupac says:

    yo, ‘pac back in the house. my second comment of the year is i am in support of this postseason idea. i think it will create a new level of interest at a time in the year when most fans and drivers running on fumes. i think it would bring a new level of excitement.

  3. LM fan says:

    I think something like this would be perfect for Quincy Raceways as it starts a new era. I can see in a few years with the leadership team now in place that Quincy will be the No. 1 track in the region. I don’t think anyone would have even thought that would be possible considering what has happened during the past five or six years.

  4. Cousin Eddie says:

    all for whatever plan kenny d. comes up with.

  5. Boyd Crowder says:

    I don’t see any problem protecting the integrity of the season champion by adding “a postseason.” Using Kenny D’s basketball comparison, the season champion would be like winning the conference title and the postseason would be like the state tournament or the ncaa tournament.

  6. Kenny D says:

    Who gets the points fund money?

  7. Boyd Crowder says:

    Well, I’;m no promnoter adn don’t pretend to be, but I would say split the points fund 50-50. That way, the drivers remain interested and keep coming instead of packing up in July if it’s been a “long season.”

  8. MICK ATKINSON says:

    MOST OF THESE COMMENTS SEEM TO BE FAVIRING A NEW KIND OF POINTS DEAL, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT NASCAR. I THINK THEIR OLD WAY WAS BETTER THAN THE STUPID CHASE THING THEY USE NOW. I SAY KEEP THE POINTS THE SAME.

  9. Mod Fan says:

    Are we talking a possible change just for LM and MODS?

  10. Jim Liston says:

    i see nothing wrong with current points systems but am open for change. i would like to see an axact plan of what kenny d. might be thinking.

  11. tupac says:

    kenny d, how about putting together your exact idea and letting fans vote on it on the stevie dirt poll? how about that, mr. dirt?

  12. Stevie Dirt says:

    tupac,

    that’s fine with me if that’s what kenny d. would like. Or maybe have separate votes for drivers and fans — and if there is a tie let the track management team cast the deciding vote?

    Kenny D might have to call a special drivers meeting at Buffalo Wild Wings, which I would be happy to attend.

  13. Fordracer06 says:

    Divide points fund money by a percentage between the number of races in regular season and post season. Say 20 races regular and 5 post season; 75% of fund to regular and 25% to post season. Something like that and if a driver wins both he gets 100%.

  14. Kenny D says:

    The problem with Kenny D coming up with a plan and voting on it is that I was hoping there would be a better plan coming from someone else that I hadn’t thought of. I’ll hack something together to throw out and see what people think… but in the meantime, we are open to any new ideas… or strong opinions that we not mess with what we have.

  15. Dave Moore says:

    Sorry Dirt, drivers only at wild wings. This talk is all good and well, but the issue most important at QR is the return of the FANS. No FANS no races. FAN revenue is the most critical problem facing Kenny D. , his partners and the Racers. FANS make our world go round.

  16. seighinger says:

    Dave,

    I think you missed something. This is basically what it’s all about — what the fans want. Would they like to see a change … or not? This is their time to speak. Some already have, hopefully more will join in.

    And I love it when Kenny D talks in third person.

  17. Dave Moore says:

    Dirt, you think a different points system would make a rats rear-end’s difference. Most fans don’t give a damn about points. You need to have a playground, a skippy something for the kids to do. Look at McDonald’s they get their business by catering to the kids.

  18. Kenny D says:

    Here’s the major problem. In 2013 Tony Dunker won 13 features. He has to be the track champion with that kind of season. (IMCA mandates it anyway for their classes) Anyone else you crown as a “champion” would be a farce. Now picture a chase format where Tony has 2 bad nights at the end of the season and someone else wins the “chase” yet Tony is sitting on a million point lead in the regular points. We lose all credibility putting a crown on anyone but Tony and the crown becomes meaningless.

    So I think the better option is to leave the season points battle alone. But at the end of the year some kind of 3-4 week tournament that gets people interested again in a class where the points have been wrapped up for a month could be a good thing.

    I’m just not sure how to make it special and meaningful without throwing a bunch of money at it or robbing from the existing points fund, which is there in the Sportmod class through the outstanding support of Summy Tire… and I don’t want to go back asking Jeff for more support of the class and also don’t want to overshadow the points battle that Jeff supports through his generous sponsorship.

  19. EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE MISSED TWO KEY POINTS:

    #1 YOU CAN NOT MESS WITH A SANCTIONING BODYS POINT SYSTEM. IMCA, UMP OR WHAT EVER IT IS. IF YOU CHANGE THINGS WHILE NATIONAL POINTS ARE STILL GOING ON IN A GIVEN SANCTIONS CLASS YOU WILL LOOSE TRAVELERS LATE IN THE YEAR. I DO NOT THINK EITHER IMCA OR UMP WILL ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

    #2 SOMEONE IN THE TOWER COULDN’T GET RACE LINE-UPS CORRECT LAST YEAR LET ALONE A MORE COMPLICATED TWO TIER POINT SYSTEM. CREDIBILITY IS THE KEY AND SOME HAS BEEN LOST BEFORE WE HAVE GOTTON STARTED IN 2014.

    WHO SAID THAT ? I SAID THAT:
    ROBERT D RAFFORD

  20. Kenny D says:

    As to those two key points:

    #1 I don’t think anyone has mentioned messing with the point system of IMCA or UMP. And yes, we can give track points for UMP however we want. Jacksonville and Lincoln last year gave different track points for different positions, Tri City had a chase format for UMP etc. No, we can’t mess with the IMCA track point system and have no intention to. The question was… would you like to see a separate playoff system in addition to the season long track point system.

    #2 This has nothing to do with lineups. For IMCA classes, points factor into the lineups and nothing would change there. There wouldn’t be a separate tier. I’m quite confident that between one Sunday and the next I can figure out the points that were earned in any “tournament” or chase format that was a supplement to the regular points battle.

    Dave – your comment about fans not caring about points is pretty accurate. But one thing we need to do in promoting an individual race is build up interest in it during the week… creating stories that people that might not come to the track every week can understand. What sets this week’s race apart from the one last week? My thinking is that something along these lines gives us something to build stories and interest around – especially late in the season when interest starts to dwindle. And yes.. Kids are key and we have several things coming together that should keep area kids engaged and trying to drag their parents to the bullring.

  21. Black Op says:

    Hey Rafford, why don’t you read before you write.

    Black Op is watching … AND reading.

  22. FLYBY says:

    INSTEAD OF DREAMING UP POINTS WHY NOT FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL RACING.DO AUSTRALIAN PURSUITS ONCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEN HOW ABOUT KING OF THE HILL ANOTHER NIGHT.FANS LOVE THE BACK ROW CHALLENGE THATS ANOTHER CHOICE KEEP IT SIMPLE DONT WORRY ABOUT POINTS AFTER THE POINTS SEASON IS OVER.

  23. Kenny D says:

    Let me throw out this as a very, very loose concept. I’ve heard that something along these lines was tried several years ago and it was pretty popular. But I think this is different. There’s still a lot of refinement to the idea… if it’s even a good idea at all.

    Ignore the issue of potential rainouts and the fact every class doesn’t race every night at the end of the year. We can work around those.

    King of the Bullring (or pick a better name… preferably with a sponsor in it!)

    It’s an NCAA bracket style tournament. With 4-5 weeks left in the season we pick the top 16 drivers out of all of the classes based on either average finish or some formula. It doesn’t matter if 1 car from a class makes the field of 16 or 5. We take the top 16 total. We then seed them based on the same basis. The guy with the best average finish would be a 1 seed… all the way down to the 16 seed. (We would use points, but IMCA and UMP points are different)

    It’s a bracket tournament. In round one it would be the 1 vs 16 seed, 2 vs 15 etc. The driver with the highest finish on that night will advance to the next round. We would figure out a tie breaker. So it might be a Stock Car guy vs a Modified guy on any given week.

    The next week there will only be 8 cars left, the following week would be the final 4 and then the Championship final.

    It would be a winner take all tournament. It doesn’t affect the normal points or points fund. It could be $1,000-$2,000 to win it depending on sponsorship. So a Sport Compact driver could be racing on the final night against a Sportmod driver with the one with the best finish walking away with a grand or more.

    The part I like about this best is that it allows fans to pick brackets just like in an NCAA pool with prizes for the fans. There’s also some drama that’s going to happen with people trying to make the field of 16 and a Modified driver will actually be watching and care about what happens in the Stock Car class etc.

    Again… just a loose thought that has a lot of refinement needed if we were to do it. Is something along these lines worth exploring?

  24. rick sager says:

    why dont you just have a big money race at the end of the year? for each class on the last month of the year.4 more weeks of racing.quincy raceways is the only track that doesnt have specials at the end of the year.the dunker family did a sport mod big money race last year on there own.so dont know why this cant be done once again with kenny d and all the help with quincy fans.because the fans came through with the dunkers for the sport mod big money race the enforcer

  25. DRONE says:

    2014′s FIRST DRONE-SERVATION

    WHILE SUPPORTING A FALL PLAYOFF TOURNEY, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO DIGEST ON THE FIRST 23 COMMENTS OF THIS BLOG, ALL WE CAN HOPE FOR IS THE GOOD OLD ACRONYM “KISS”

    K….KEEP
    I….IT
    S….STUPID
    S….SIMPLE

    HOWEVER, YA GOTTA DO THE PLAYOFF ON A PER CLASS BASIS. PATRICK DUNKER (4BANGER) UP AGAINST BURGTORF (LM) JUST DON’T FIT.

    SINCE STEVIE DIRT IS A STATISITCAL WIZZARD IT WOULD BE COOL TO SEE WHO HAS THE BEST FINISHING AVG (HE’LL FIGURE OUT THE TIE BREAKER)
    FOR ALL CLASSES COMBINED. THE WINNER COULD THEN BE CALLED THE “BRAMA-BULL OF THE BULLRING…….

    ANY THOUGHTS????

    DRONE IS WATCHING

  26. NAS-T says:

    I’ll put my money on the number 3 sport mod of Tony Dunker. How about you Stevie.

  27. Black Op says:

    It’s a good thing DRONE is not Santa Claus or there would be no Christmas.

    I’m all for some sort of “postseason.”

  28. NAS-T says:

    It appears to me that Drone doesn’t understand the concept that Kenny D was talking about. Its not heads up racing but the finish him or her have in the class they race in. Like Kim gets 2nd in her class and Abe gets 3rd in his class then Kim goes on to next week and Abe is eliminated. Sorry Abe.

  29. Boyd Crowder says:

    Drone obviously doesn’t understand a lot of things.

  30. SKIPP says:

    I THINK DRONE HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THE SAUCE TODAY …. BRING ON #7 ….. IM IN !!!!!!!!
    thats a joke guys … simmer down
    KICK-ASS IDEA MR DOBBS . TOURNY STYLE … TIL IT COMES DOWN TO #3 & #35 WHO WIN 95% OF THE FEATURES IN THEIR CLASS , THEN YA MITE JUST HAFTA HAVE A “DUNK-OFF” TO GET A WINNER
    .
    I…..AM…..THE SEXXXIER #3
    867-5309
    .
    btw …… i thout tu-pac was dead ……. wth ??

  31. 2HA says:

    I would have to say i like the idea kenny keep it interesting at the end off the year

  32. Zero says:

    Kenny D.

    These are just my thoughts on the ideal of keeping the racing interesting toward the end of the season. First I disagree with Steve about have a separate vote for the drivers and fans separate. I think the fans is very important key to these kind of questions and not saying the drivers are not important either, because they are and they put a lot of time and effort to put on show for the fans week after week. Bob and Albert Scott always told the drivers in driver meetings when crowd counts got low. If I can not get the crowd here in my grandstands I can not afford to have you all race on my race track week after week. Crowd was the key as you know and everyone else knows to.

    So going off that how do we keep the fans interested in the racing at the end season. I don’t think a chase at the end of season is going to be the key and your basketball theory you threw out there for ideal is the answer. I say if you want the crowd and want to draw some distance racers and fans than put on a (Fall Shoot Out series for UMP Late Models)that’s always main show that many race fans want to see anyways. Just keep the Ump racing point system intact and just run 4 or 5 week series with little point fund to winner of the shoot out. Holts Summit Mo. race track did this fall shoot out for many years and always had very good car count and fans showed a interest in it. Many of our local late model drivers made the trip and raced every year. I’m not saying to only run late models during those weeks of the shoot out. I still like to see other classes run also. Maybe like the A Mods and some other ones to make it full night racing. Just like anything we do money is always a factor we have to deal with, but if the money is there for the short series the better the car count will be. If you don’t like the ideal of a Fall Shoot out, than put on a 1 or 2 big Late Model shows at the end season. I really don’t think refiguring the points system is key to a better racing program. I know this all sounds like the tradition racing program, but it used to work down in Holts Summit Mo. for many years until the town raised hell about the noise and forced them to sell the track and turned it into a neighbor subdivision since it was in city limits.

    These are my ideals and hopefully others will like what I suggested and follow suite. Kenny I like the fact you are always turning ideals and making effort to bring exciting racing back to our little short dirt track that has been a big part of many fans and summer vacations for many kids and families, but far most of all thanks for letting the fans have a input in what happens at QR.

    Zero

  33. Kenny D says:

    Thanks to everyone for you comments and feedback. I think we have this one pretty well figured out now. Let me cross some t’s and dot some i’s and we’ll announce the initial plan in the next few days.

  34. 2HA says:

    Yeah kenny make it all about lm dont worry about the support classes. Good thinking zero. Horrible idea

  35. Zero says:

    2HA did I say anything about not running the mods or any other class during the shoot out that I suggested. No I didn’t say anything like that. I don’t know if you realize it when the late model A main race is over biggest part of the crowd is headed to parking lot every week so what does that tell you. That’s why the Late models are normally ran last or 2nd to last every week. Think about it.

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